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North Shore Dude Offline
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RE: Strikes in Syria
Excellent video by Mark Collett

Assad Didn't Do It - Faked Syrian Gas Attack



16-04-2018 12:41
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I mean i really am not one for conspiracy but Jaish al Islam the rebel group who held Douma up until the Syrian army regaining control recently, were accused of gassing the Kurds in 2016 so it’s not exactly beyond them to have staged this knowing they were on the verge of losing Douma knowing western forces would take action against the Syrian army.
16-04-2018 13:04
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Why would they think that, at no time in this war has the West attacked the Syrian Army only government storage sites and Isis.
A fact finding mission of the UN confirmed Sarin was used last year on Khan Sheikoun, as reported in the Guardian newspaper
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ju...pons-syria
16-04-2018 13:32
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(16-04-2018 13:32)whitstabletangerine Wrote:  Why would they think that, at no time in this war has the West attacked the Syrian Army only government storage sites and Isis.
A fact finding mission of the UN confirmed Sarin was used last year on Khan Sheikoun, as reported in the Guardian newspaper
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ju...pons-syria

Hitting government storage sites has a deteriorating impact on the army.

And the OPCW fact finding team have gone out this time only to find we decided to bomb the sites before they got there so they’ll have fat chance finding evidence this time.
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16-04-2018 13:38
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OK, so you would rather take the word from a government that has form for this sort of thing.
16-04-2018 15:16
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The only fully fleshed out thought I have on Syria is fuck the Infowars conspiracy bullshit from the far left which is saying these chemical weapons attacks are staged. You're literally being an apologist for a murderous dictator because you're dogma means you have to be anti west at all times. Probably white helmet truthers too. You're the left wing version of those conservatives who think Parkland and Sandy Hook was staged by crisis actors
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16-04-2018 15:48
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(16-04-2018 13:38)seanmacca100 Wrote:  Hitting government storage sites has a deteriorating impact on the army.
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I am afraid you have a limited knowledge of military matters my old son, having your homeland bombed or attacked by an enemy lifts the moral and determination of the defenders, although in the past it has had the opposite effect on the Italians and the French notably in ww2.
16-04-2018 16:09
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Theresa May says the decision to not allow a vote on airstikes was "taken on an exceptional basis".

Exceptional being that very seldom does a pm lose a vote in parliament and she isn't going to suffer the same embarrassment Cameron got when he had his Syria airstrike vote fail. Coincidentally just after Assad allegedly used gas bombs. Which the U.N. refuted.
16-04-2018 16:35
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(16-04-2018 16:35)Bally Wrote:  Theresa May says the decision to not allow a vote on airstikes was "taken on an exceptional basis".

Exceptional being that very seldom does a pm lose a vote in parliament and she isn't going to suffer the same embarrassment Cameron got when he had his Syria airstrike vote fail. Coincidentally just after Assad allegedly used gas bombs. Which the U.N. refuted.

What are you talking about? Cameron called a vote before the UN investigation and when the report came out a month later the UN said they had conclusive evidence Assad used chemical weapons and had committed a war crime.

I would love to see what some Corbynites would be doing in 1939
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16-04-2018 16:46
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You can’t equate this with 1939. That was one common enemy. Syria is multiple factions all with their own abhorrent standings.

I simply always look to question things before we get the full picture from the OPCW and don’t understand the rush to do this when we could’ve just waited another couple of days before the facts began to show.

Looking at it in terms of the war it would be completely illogical for Assad to do this when he’d literally just regained Douma and is clearly winning the war, hence my initial scepticism.

I just don’t understand what exactly the action we’ve taken does. It won’t shake Assad in the slightest nor his army given they know the West can’t escalate this without a standoff with Russia.

In terms of the war Assad is going to win and by the rhetoric of many politicians in recent days they accept that but what exactly is the position we’re taking in all this now given it was only a couple of years ago that we heard the ‘Assad must go’ rhetoric from the White House and Downing Street alike and suddenly now we’re backtracking.
16-04-2018 17:25
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I said the other day I believe Assad is winning and the rebels would do better to lay down their arms and surrender and I also said mentioned the chaos caused with the downfall of Saddam and Ghaddafi so perhaps Washington and London have come to realise regime change is not the answer after all, perhaps they have learnt something.
16-04-2018 17:49
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syr...07726.html

Never heard of this guy before but it's always interesting to hear from someone on the ground there, must be a fascinating job with of course its inherent dangers.
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16-04-2018 20:58
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Good report here, for anyone in fear of imminent war.

https://news.sky.com/story/assad-may-be-...y-11332619
17-04-2018 08:26
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The way I read it is that these strikes were approved to strengthen our position on preventing Russia getting a foot in the Middle East. Oil again!
Why would Assad use chemical weapons on a area the government had just taken control of and at a time when the war is all but won?
The likelihood of Russia retaliating are very slim, what exactly could they do?

Unfortunately for us these strikes were fast, far to quick for any real evidence to be collected.
This is one of those situations that time will not tell !
17-04-2018 14:34
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(17-04-2018 14:34)Hero-of-the-night Wrote:  The way I read it is that these strikes were approved to strengthen our position on preventing Russia getting a foot in the Middle East. Oil again!
Why would Assad use chemical weapons on a area the government had just taken control of and at a time when the war is all but won?
The likelihood of Russia retaliating are very slim, what exactly could they do?

Unfortunately for us these strikes were fast, far to quick for any real evidence to be collected.
This is one of those situations that time will not tell !

And Trump announcing 3 days before the alleged chemical attack that US forces are to pull out of Syria as soon as possibile

It just doesn't make sense for Assad to use chemical weapons at this time. At least people are starting to question the official narrative
17-04-2018 15:47
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