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Sandgrownundeux Offline
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Post: #31
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Bluff away steed it doesnt' affect the points in the op piece one bit. You'll have to do better than that.
19-02-2013 17:43
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foggy Offline
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Post: #32
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Steed, like 99% of people didnt bother reading the rules/terms & conditions of the site he signed up to.

No conspiracy theory really is there.
(This post was last modified: 19-02-2013 17:44 by foggy.)
19-02-2013 17:44
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Post: #33
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Bet you 2 could even be buddies in another life . Ill buy the first round . You both give as good as you take .......... Good banter all said and done .
19-02-2013 17:48
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Sandgrownundeux Offline
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Post: #34
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It's quite funny on a thread about how the media can be manipulated that you seek to inject the word conspiracy into the proceedings. I work in media so all these ham fisted attempts to dissipate the points made in the op is laughable.

I agree most people don't read the rules but he went from not aware to seeing is not reading, to not acknowledging what has already been said in the space of three pages. He asked for proof I cited my own experience. He obviously had another of his convenient seeing but not reading moments.

I also stated he knows the rules of this site as he has to due to his position and as it's similar in needing legal protections to avftt's needs he plays dumb again. Honestly he is who he is and if he wants to bluff his way and pretend to be someone he's not that's fine with me.
19-02-2013 17:49
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19-02-2013 17:50
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foggy Offline
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Post: #36
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You work in the media? You should have said so before...

Just how many jobs do you have?
19-02-2013 17:51
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Sandgrownundeux Offline
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Post: #37
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Well it's a rarity in these parts but one, not including public service commitments or directorships.
19-02-2013 17:54
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Post: #38
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(19-02-2013 17:49)Sandgrownundeux Wrote:  I agree most people don't read the rules but he went from not aware to seeing is not reading.

How can I be aware of the rules, if I did not read them? They are not mutually exclusive statements.

Also, to this moment, I have no idea if our rules are in anyway similar to AVFTT's. I did not write them, seasider did. I simply stipulated that there be no porn, racism, homophobia or hatred. That has nothing to do with AVFTT, or in fact even my own views (although I obviously subscribe to them) but the terms and conditions of the hosting company I use to situate this site.

Next, I'm not informing people every time I miss a comma or apostrophe in something I've typed and edit the post. You will have to get used to that.

Lastly, what do you mean bluff away? What have I said that could even be likened to a bluff, I have made a very simple request which you have ignored, and instead have had to fall back to attacking my very simple, and perfectly reasonable claim that I do not know the rules on somebody elses forum.

Let me lay down a very simple challenge to you, as a way of getting this thread back on track:

Provide proof that you were banned from AVFTT, and that threads were deleted to support "a thinly veiled pro oyston stance" AND that AVFTT actively utilises Nazi propaganda and brain washing techniques for the same reason.

Your next reply to this thread will either be that proof, or proof that, as suspected, you are making a shallow and unfounded allegation.


EDIT: I added an s to views!

SECOND EDIT: I removed a superfluous 'to'!
(This post was last modified: 19-02-2013 18:13 by TheSteed.)
19-02-2013 18:08
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Suze. Offline
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Post: #39
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(19-02-2013 17:54)Sandgrownundeux Wrote:  public service commitments.

We call it community pay back, over here, now! Laugh
19-02-2013 18:16
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Cheesyleps Offline
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(19-02-2013 17:42)Sandgrownundeux Wrote:  nothing like apple it's a short one page in your face sheet you have to go through to sign up.

I didn't ask if they were like Apple, I asked if you had owned an apple product. Dodge the question as usual.

Your response tells me you are aware of Apple's T&Cs. Did you read them before clicking your acceptance?

If the answer is yes, I am pretty damn certain you are telling lies. If the answer is no, you have disproved your own point. I fully expect you to continue to ignore this point.

Quote:As the site overlord he is well aware of the rules on this site which for legal reasons have to be similar.

Which isn't what you said. You specifically said you knew he had read them.

Quote:He says he's never read them and when pulled up on it he says well seeing is not the same as reading.

Because it isn't the same thing at all. There are some roadworks due to start over wyre next week. There are yellow signs next to the road with fairly small writing on providing details about the proposed works. I have passed those signs and seen them twice a day for the last two works. I have yet to read them.

Quote:I expect you to show him solidarity as you both moderate but let's not fool ourselves as to steeds innocence on this

My 'solidarity' is because you are talking complete and utter crap. This is a prime example of exactly what you do in every single thread.

* You make a sweeping statement with no facts to back it up.
* Someone pulls you up on it.
* You argue vehemently that you are right.
* People provide counter-arguments that conclusively disprove your theory and you still refuse to acknowledge that you can be wrong.
* If the other person persists you resort to personal attacks.

This is another prime example. Because my name is green I must toe the line, back the 'party message' and defend fellow moderators to the hilt. In reality you don't know what you are talking about. Me and Steed actually don't always see eye to eye on moderation issues.

Once again you simply jump to your own conclusions and assume they must be true.

Edited to fix formatting.
(This post was last modified: 19-02-2013 18:22 by Cheesyleps.)
19-02-2013 18:18
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TheSteed Offline
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Post: #41
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Quote:Me and Steed actually don't always see eye to eye on moderation issues.

Entirely true, and very healthy I would say. Checks and balances and all that...
19-02-2013 18:20
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LucyLeave Offline
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Post: #42
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Sgd sounds like the bitter divorcee trying desperately to prove that their ex was really a total twat.
19-02-2013 18:21
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Sandgrownundeux Offline
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(19-02-2013 18:08)TheSteed Wrote:  How can I be aware of the rules, if I did not read them? They are not mutually exclusive statements.

Also, to this moment, I have no idea if our rules are in anyway similar to AVFTT's. I did not write them, seasider did. I simply stipulated that there be no porn, racism, homophobia or hatred. That has nothing to do with AVFTT, or in fact even my own views (although I obviously subscribe to them) but the terms and conditions of the hosting company I use to situate this site.

Next, I'm not informing people every time I miss a comma or apostrophe in something I've typed and edit the post. You will have to get used to that.

Lastly, what do you mean bluff away? What have I said that could even be likened to a bluff, I have made a very simple request which you have ignored, and instead have had to fall back to attacking my very simple, and perfectly reasonable claim that I do not know the rules on somebody elses forum.

Let me lay down a very simple challenge to you, as a way of getting this thread back on track:

Provide proof that you were banned from AVFTT, and that threads were deleted to support "a thinly veiled pro oyston stance" AND that AVFTT actively utilises Nazi propaganda and brain washing techniques for the same reason.

Your next reply to this thread will either be that proof, or proof that, as suspected, you are making a shallow and unfounded allegation.


EDIT: I added an s to views!

SECOND EDIT: I removed a superfluous 'to'!


How can I be aware of the rules, if I did not read them? They are not mutually exclusive statement. So you saw them when you signed up for the site, even agreeing to them but you didn't read them and now literally minutes later you are not aware of the rules. But I thought in your last thrilling episode you saw them but didn't read them. Now you are not aware of them. You are also not aware of the rules you are legally liable for as someone else you know wrote them. Bit careless don't you think?

Sorry I don't really have a desire to go round in circles with you Mr see but not read, not aware of rules. My proof is that I can't sign on with my username password. Are you going to say with a straight face that you are not aware that people who post on your board, ragnarok for example were banned on avftt. If you can't see, oh but you couldn't as you said you only just joined avftt and have only been on it once how the board is manipulated I could say anything here and you wouldn't know if it was accurate or not would you?

Ahh the webs you weave for yourself steed. Like I said best to retire gracefully instead of making yourself look like the Bazzer across the way. Oh I forgot you are not aware of him and his ilk as you've only been on avftt once.

:-)
(This post was last modified: 19-02-2013 18:28 by Sandgrownundeux.)
19-02-2013 18:23
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Sandgrownundeux Offline
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Post: #44
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Suze you have no idea what I do so as an elected official. It wouldnt' be classified as community payback with the duties my position entails, and no after your last stalking me wanting to be my friend on Facebook incident I would hope you got the message I have no desire to be your friend or tell you about my life. I'm here for the football.
19-02-2013 18:31
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TheSteed Offline
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Post: #45
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1. People being banned, is not proof of people being banned to support "a thinly veiled pro oyston stance"
2. No proof put forward to support Nazi propaganda or brain washing techniques.

I'll take that as "making a shallow and unfounded allegation". Steed wins.

As an added bonus, you liken me to Basil. You correctly state I don't know of his ilk apart from that which has been stated on here by yourself and other posters. I have no reason to agree or disagree with any of those claims, however, comparing me to him simply because I refuse to quietly let you get away with spouting nonsense is further proof of your desperation.

You havn't even had the courtesy to ask my own opinion on the Oystons either. Oh dear.
19-02-2013 18:31
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